Opened 22 months ago
Closed 17 months ago
#10455 closed defect (fixed)
Crash in garbage collection while finding hydrogen bonds
| Reported by: | Owned by: | Eric Pettersen | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Priority: | normal | Milestone: | |
| Component: | Core | Version: | |
| Keywords: | Cc: | Tom Goddard | |
| Blocked By: | Blocking: | ||
| Notify when closed: | Platform: | all | |
| Project: | ChimeraX |
Description
The following bug report has been submitted:
Platform: macOS-12.3-arm64-arm-64bit
ChimeraX Version: 1.6.1 (2023-05-09 17:57:07 UTC)
Description
Last time you used ChimeraX it crashed.
Please describe steps that led to the crash here.
Fatal Python error: Segmentation fault
Thread 0x000000030f3ab000 (most recent call first):
File "/Applications/ChimeraX-1.7.app/Contents/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/lib/python3.11/threading.py", line 324 in wait
File "/Applications/ChimeraX-1.7.app/Contents/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/lib/python3.11/threading.py", line 622 in wait
File "/Applications/ChimeraX-1.7.app/Contents/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/lib/python3.11/threading.py", line 1392 in run
File "/Applications/ChimeraX-1.7.app/Contents/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/lib/python3.11/threading.py", line 1038 in _bootstrap_inner
File "/Applications/ChimeraX-1.7.app/Contents/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/lib/python3.11/threading.py", line 995 in _bootstrap
Current thread 0x00000002005ea600 (most recent call first):
Garbage-collecting
File "/Applications/ChimeraX-1.7.app/Contents/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/lib/python3.11/site-packages/chimerax/hbonds/hbond.py", line 792 in _find_acceptors
File "/Applications/ChimeraX-1.7.app/Contents/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/lib/python3.11/site-packages/chimerax/hbonds/hbond.py", line 498 in find_hbonds
File "/Applications/ChimeraX-1.7.app/Contents/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/lib/python3.11/site-packages/chimerax/hbonds/cmd.py", line 94 in cmd_hbonds
File "/Applications/ChimeraX-1.7.app/Contents/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/lib/python3.11/site-packages/chimerax/core/commands/cli.py", line 2908 in run
File "/Applications/ChimeraX-1.7.app/Contents/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/lib/python3.11/site-packages/chimerax/core/commands/run.py", line 49 in run
File "/Applications/ChimeraX-1.7.app/Contents/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/lib/python3.11/site-packages/chimerax/hbonds/tool.py", line 52 in run_hbonds
File "/Applications/ChimeraX-1.7.app/Contents/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/lib/python3.11/site-packages/chimerax/ui/gui.py", line 275 in event_loop
File "/Applications/ChimeraX-1.7.app/Contents/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/lib/python3.11/site-packages/chimerax/core/__main__.py", line 918 in init
File "/Applications/ChimeraX-1.7.app/Contents/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.11/lib/python3.11/site-packages/chimerax/core/__main__.py", line 1069 in
File "", line 88 in _run_code
File "", line 198 in _run_module_as_main
Extension modules: chimerax.arrays._arrays, numpy.core._multiarray_umath, numpy.core._multiarray_tests, numpy.linalg._umath_linalg, numpy.fft._pocketfft_internal, numpy.random._common, numpy.random.bit_generator, numpy.random._bounded_integers, numpy.random._mt19937, numpy.random.mtrand, numpy.random._philox, numpy.random._pcg64, numpy.random._sfc64, numpy.random._generator, chimerax.geometry._geometry, PyQt6.QtCore, PyQt6.QtGui, PyQt6.QtWidgets, PyQt6.QtWebChannel, PyQt6.QtNetwork, PyQt6.QtWebEngineCore, PyQt6.QtPrintSupport, PyQt6.QtWebEngineWidgets, chimerax.atomic_lib._load_libs, tinyarray, chimerax.atomic.cymol, chimerax.atomic.cytmpl, chimerax.map._map, charset_normalizer.md, PIL._imaging, matplotlib._c_internal_utils, matplotlib._path, kiwisolver._cext, matplotlib._image, PyQt6.QtOpenGL, PyQt6.QtOpenGLWidgets, OpenGL_accelerate.errorchecker, OpenGL_accelerate.wrapper, OpenGL_accelerate.formathandler, OpenGL_accelerate.arraydatatype, OpenGL_accelerate.latebind, OpenGL_accelerate.vbo, chimerax.surface._surface, chimerax.pdb_lib._load_libs, chimerax.core._mac_util, OpenGL_accelerate.numpy_formathandler, OpenGL_accelerate.nones_formathandler, chimerax.pdb._pdbio, chimerax.atomic._ribbons, chimerax.graphics._graphics, chimerax.mmcif._mmcif, chimerax.mmcif.mmcif, chimerax.atom_search.ast, chimerax.chem_group._chem_group (total: 54)
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Startup Messages
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note | available bundle cache has not been initialized yet
UCSF ChimeraX version: 1.7 (2023-12-19)
© 2016-2023 Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
How to cite UCSF ChimeraX
> open "/Users/michaelmcmurray/Library/CloudStorage/OneDrive-
> TheUniversityofColoradoDenver/McMurray lab documents/PDB
> files/D_1000271603_model-annotate_P1.pdb" format pdb
D_1000271603_model-annotate_P1.pdb title:
Crystal structure of CDC10 - CDC3 heterocomplex from saccharomyces cerevisiae
[more info...]
Chain information for D_1000271603_model-annotate_P1.pdb #1
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Chain | Description | UniProt
A | cell division control protein 10 | CDC10_YEAST 30-302
B | cell division control protein 3 | CDC3_YEAST 119-411
Non-standard residues in D_1000271603_model-annotate_P1.pdb #1
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GDP — guanosine-5'-diphosphate
GTP — guanosine-5'-triphosphate
MG — magnesium ion
> ui tool show "Show Sequence Viewer"
> sequence chain /A
Alignment identifier is 1/A
> select /A
2340 atoms, 2266 bonds, 385 residues, 1 model selected
> color sel cornflower blue
> select clear
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> files/D_1000273707_model-annotate_P1.pdb" format pdb
D_1000273707_model-annotate_P1.pdb title:
Crystal structure of CDC3(G) - CDC10(δ 1-10) heterocomplex from saccharomyces
cerevisiae [more info...]
Chain information for D_1000273707_model-annotate_P1.pdb #2
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Chain | Description
A C | CDC10 isoform 1
B D | CDC3 isoform 1
Non-standard residues in D_1000273707_model-annotate_P1.pdb #2
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GDP — guanosine-5'-diphosphate
GTP — guanosine-5'-triphosphate
MG — magnesium ion
NA — sodium ion
> close #1
> select /A
2448 atoms, 2451 bonds, 334 residues, 1 model selected
> color sel cornflower blue
> ui tool show "Show Sequence Viewer"
> sequence chain /A /C
Alignment identifier is 1
> select clear
> select /A,C:12
24 atoms, 24 bonds, 2 residues, 1 model selected
> select /A,C:12-15
68 atoms, 70 bonds, 8 residues, 1 model selected
> select /A,C:16-17
30 atoms, 28 bonds, 4 residues, 1 model selected
> select /A,C:16-21
94 atoms, 92 bonds, 12 residues, 1 model selected
> select /A,C:13
14 atoms, 12 bonds, 2 residues, 1 model selected
> select /A,C:13
14 atoms, 12 bonds, 2 residues, 1 model selected
> select /A,C:64
16 atoms, 14 bonds, 2 residues, 1 model selected
> select /A,C:64
16 atoms, 14 bonds, 2 residues, 1 model selected
> show sel atoms
> ui tool show H-Bonds
> hbonds sel interModel false distSlop 1.0 intraRes false select true reveal
> true log true
===== Log before crash end =====
Log:
UCSF ChimeraX version: 1.6.1 (2023-05-09)
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OpenGL version: 4.1 Metal - 76.3
OpenGL renderer: Apple M1 Max
OpenGL vendor: Apple
Python: 3.9.11
Locale: UTF-8
Qt version: PyQt6 6.4.2, Qt 6.4.2
Qt runtime version: 6.4.3
Qt platform: cocoa
Hardware:
Hardware Overview:
Model Name: MacBook Pro
Model Identifier: MacBookPro18,4
Chip: Apple M1 Max
Total Number of Cores: 10 (8 performance and 2 efficiency)
Memory: 32 GB
System Firmware Version: 7459.101.2
OS Loader Version: 7459.101.2
Software:
System Software Overview:
System Version: macOS 12.3 (21E230)
Kernel Version: Darwin 21.4.0
Time since boot: 64 days 19:18
Graphics/Displays:
Apple M1 Max:
Chipset Model: Apple M1 Max
Type: GPU
Bus: Built-In
Total Number of Cores: 32
Vendor: Apple (0x106b)
Metal Family: Supported, Metal GPUFamily Apple 7
Displays:
Color LCD:
Display Type: Built-in Liquid Retina XDR Display
Resolution: 3024 x 1964 Retina
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Automatically Adjust Brightness: No
Connection Type: Internal
Installed Packages:
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appdirs: 1.4.4
appnope: 0.1.3
asttokens: 2.2.1
Babel: 2.12.1
backcall: 0.2.0
beautifulsoup4: 4.11.2
blockdiag: 3.0.0
build: 0.10.0
certifi: 2021.10.8
cftime: 1.6.2
charset-normalizer: 3.1.0
ChimeraX-AddCharge: 1.5.9.1
ChimeraX-AddH: 2.2.5
ChimeraX-AlignmentAlgorithms: 2.0.1
ChimeraX-AlignmentHdrs: 3.3.1
ChimeraX-AlignmentMatrices: 2.1
ChimeraX-Alignments: 2.9.3
ChimeraX-AlphaFold: 1.0
ChimeraX-AltlocExplorer: 1.0.3
ChimeraX-AmberInfo: 1.0
ChimeraX-Arrays: 1.1
ChimeraX-Atomic: 1.43.10
ChimeraX-AtomicLibrary: 10.0.6
ChimeraX-AtomSearch: 2.0.1
ChimeraX-AxesPlanes: 2.3.2
ChimeraX-BasicActions: 1.1.2
ChimeraX-BILD: 1.0
ChimeraX-BlastProtein: 2.1.2
ChimeraX-BondRot: 2.0.1
ChimeraX-BugReporter: 1.0.1
ChimeraX-BuildStructure: 2.8
ChimeraX-Bumps: 1.0
ChimeraX-BundleBuilder: 1.2.2
ChimeraX-ButtonPanel: 1.0.1
ChimeraX-CageBuilder: 1.0.1
ChimeraX-CellPack: 1.0
ChimeraX-Centroids: 1.3.2
ChimeraX-ChangeChains: 1.0.2
ChimeraX-CheckWaters: 1.3.1
ChimeraX-ChemGroup: 2.0.1
ChimeraX-Clashes: 2.2.4
ChimeraX-ColorActions: 1.0.3
ChimeraX-ColorGlobe: 1.0
ChimeraX-ColorKey: 1.5.3
ChimeraX-CommandLine: 1.2.5
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ChimeraX-Contacts: 1.0.1
ChimeraX-Core: 1.6.1
ChimeraX-CoreFormats: 1.1
ChimeraX-coulombic: 1.4.2
ChimeraX-Crosslinks: 1.0
ChimeraX-Crystal: 1.0
ChimeraX-CrystalContacts: 1.0.1
ChimeraX-DataFormats: 1.2.3
ChimeraX-Dicom: 1.2
ChimeraX-DistMonitor: 1.4
ChimeraX-DockPrep: 1.1.1
ChimeraX-Dssp: 2.0
ChimeraX-EMDB-SFF: 1.0
ChimeraX-ESMFold: 1.0
ChimeraX-FileHistory: 1.0.1
ChimeraX-FunctionKey: 1.0.1
ChimeraX-Geometry: 1.3
ChimeraX-gltf: 1.0
ChimeraX-Graphics: 1.1.1
ChimeraX-Hbonds: 2.4
ChimeraX-Help: 1.2.1
ChimeraX-HKCage: 1.3
ChimeraX-IHM: 1.1
ChimeraX-ImageFormats: 1.2
ChimeraX-IMOD: 1.0
ChimeraX-IO: 1.0.1
ChimeraX-ItemsInspection: 1.0.1
ChimeraX-Label: 1.1.7
ChimeraX-ListInfo: 1.1.1
ChimeraX-Log: 1.1.5
ChimeraX-LookingGlass: 1.1
ChimeraX-Maestro: 1.8.2
ChimeraX-Map: 1.1.4
ChimeraX-MapData: 2.0
ChimeraX-MapEraser: 1.0.1
ChimeraX-MapFilter: 2.0.1
ChimeraX-MapFit: 2.0
ChimeraX-MapSeries: 2.1.1
ChimeraX-Markers: 1.0.1
ChimeraX-Mask: 1.0.2
ChimeraX-MatchMaker: 2.0.12
ChimeraX-MDcrds: 2.6
ChimeraX-MedicalToolbar: 1.0.2
ChimeraX-Meeting: 1.0.1
ChimeraX-MLP: 1.1.1
ChimeraX-mmCIF: 2.12
ChimeraX-MMTF: 2.2
ChimeraX-Modeller: 1.5.9
ChimeraX-ModelPanel: 1.3.7
ChimeraX-ModelSeries: 1.0.1
ChimeraX-Mol2: 2.0
ChimeraX-Mole: 1.0
ChimeraX-Morph: 1.0.2
ChimeraX-MouseModes: 1.2
ChimeraX-Movie: 1.0
ChimeraX-Neuron: 1.0
ChimeraX-Nifti: 1.0
ChimeraX-NRRD: 1.0
ChimeraX-Nucleotides: 2.0.3
ChimeraX-OpenCommand: 1.10.1
ChimeraX-PDB: 2.7.2
ChimeraX-PDBBio: 1.0
ChimeraX-PDBLibrary: 1.0.2
ChimeraX-PDBMatrices: 1.0
ChimeraX-PickBlobs: 1.0.1
ChimeraX-Positions: 1.0
ChimeraX-PresetMgr: 1.1
ChimeraX-PubChem: 2.1
ChimeraX-ReadPbonds: 1.0.1
ChimeraX-Registration: 1.1.1
ChimeraX-RemoteControl: 1.0
ChimeraX-RenderByAttr: 1.1
ChimeraX-RenumberResidues: 1.1
ChimeraX-ResidueFit: 1.0.1
ChimeraX-RestServer: 1.1
ChimeraX-RNALayout: 1.0
ChimeraX-RotamerLibMgr: 3.0
ChimeraX-RotamerLibsDunbrack: 2.0
ChimeraX-RotamerLibsDynameomics: 2.0
ChimeraX-RotamerLibsRichardson: 2.0
ChimeraX-SaveCommand: 1.5.1
ChimeraX-SchemeMgr: 1.0
ChimeraX-SDF: 2.0.1
ChimeraX-Segger: 1.0
ChimeraX-Segment: 1.0.1
ChimeraX-SelInspector: 1.0
ChimeraX-SeqView: 2.8.3
ChimeraX-Shape: 1.0.1
ChimeraX-Shell: 1.0.1
ChimeraX-Shortcuts: 1.1.1
ChimeraX-ShowSequences: 1.0.1
ChimeraX-SideView: 1.0.1
ChimeraX-Smiles: 2.1
ChimeraX-SmoothLines: 1.0
ChimeraX-SpaceNavigator: 1.0
ChimeraX-StdCommands: 1.10.3
ChimeraX-STL: 1.0.1
ChimeraX-Storm: 1.0
ChimeraX-StructMeasure: 1.1.2
ChimeraX-Struts: 1.0.1
ChimeraX-Surface: 1.0.1
ChimeraX-SwapAA: 2.0.1
ChimeraX-SwapRes: 2.2.1
ChimeraX-TapeMeasure: 1.0
ChimeraX-Test: 1.0
ChimeraX-Toolbar: 1.1.2
ChimeraX-ToolshedUtils: 1.2.1
ChimeraX-Topography: 1.0
ChimeraX-Tug: 1.0.1
ChimeraX-UI: 1.28.4
ChimeraX-uniprot: 2.2.2
ChimeraX-UnitCell: 1.0.1
ChimeraX-ViewDockX: 1.2
ChimeraX-VIPERdb: 1.0
ChimeraX-Vive: 1.1
ChimeraX-VolumeMenu: 1.0.1
ChimeraX-VTK: 1.0
ChimeraX-WavefrontOBJ: 1.0
ChimeraX-WebCam: 1.0.2
ChimeraX-WebServices: 1.1.1
ChimeraX-Zone: 1.0.1
colorama: 0.4.6
comm: 0.1.3
contourpy: 1.0.7
cxservices: 1.2.2
cycler: 0.11.0
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debugpy: 1.6.7
decorator: 5.1.1
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Change History (5)
comment:1 by , 22 months ago
| Cc: | added |
|---|---|
| Component: | Unassigned → Core |
| Owner: | set to |
| Platform: | → all |
| Project: | → ChimeraX |
| Status: | new → accepted |
| Summary: | ChimeraX bug report submission → Crash in garbage collection while finding hydrogen bonds |
comment:2 by , 22 months ago
| Status: | accepted → feedback |
|---|
comment:3 by , 22 months ago
comment:4 by , 17 months ago
| Resolution: | → fixed |
|---|---|
| Status: | feedback → closed |
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