<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Yaikhomba,<div class=""> </div><div class=""> I added to ChimeraX a command "surface splitbycolor #3" to split a surface model into separate surfaces for each color of the original surface. Then you can use "measure area #4.1" to measure surface area of different colored pieces. The surfaces in ChimeraX are made up of triangles, and colors are only assigned to the 3 vertices. Single color triangles (all 3 vertices have the same color) are put into separate surface models by color called "piece 1", "piece 2", .... And triangles that are multicolored are put into a model called "multicolor". Usually single color patches are separated by a thin line of multicolor triangles that bridge the two single colored regions.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> Thanks for sending me an explanation (private communication) of why you want to measure the surface area of colored patches. I don't fully understand it and I am not sure it will be useful, but you can try. Will be in tonight's ChimeraX daily builds on the download web page.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Tom</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Map surface at left split by color on right. Then I used drag mouse mode to move some of the colored pieces. Note the "multicolor" boundary line left where I moved away pieces.</div><div class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="9E87D810-AF99-4D15-B227-CCB04AAC97EE" width="676" height="292" src="cid:FB0DA37D-E31F-40B5-BB24-3E49C4972D01" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 18, 2021, at 2:35 PM, Tom Goddard <<a href="mailto:goddard@sonic.net" class="">goddard@sonic.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Yaikhomba,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> Why do you want surface area instead of volume? Volume seems more sensible as it would be very closely related to the number of modeled and unmodeled atoms. Also volume is easy to get using command "volume splitbyzone" and "measure volume".</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> If you have a good reason for wanting surface area it would not be very hard to do it with some Python code if you ignore the triangles of the surface that have a mix of green and gray vertex colors. I can provide that Python code if you give a good reason why surface area is better than volume.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Tom</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 18, 2021, at 1:47 PM, Y. Mutum <<a href="mailto:ym337@cam.ac.uk" class="">ym337@cam.ac.uk</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="">Hi</div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="">This problem relates to surface area of a low-resolution EM map using ChimeraX</div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="">I have opened the following map and the corresponding model using the following commands in ChimeraX. </div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12pt;" class="">>>> open 4uq8; open 2676 from emdb</span><br class=""><span style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12pt;" class="">>>> color #1 green; color zone #2 near #1 dist 4</span></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="">As many parts of the map are unmodelled, I am interested 'how much of the map is unmodelled' in terms of surface area. This is mainly because the model is not accurate and I am trying to only use the raw-data (map) to estimate the surface area and avoid using the model.</div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="">Is there a way to figure out how much of the map is unmodelled in terms of surface area? In this case, count the number of '<b class="">outer pixels of a map</b>' that are colored green or gray, at a given map contour? </div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="">Could you please help with a way to measure this <b class="">without<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>using the 'volume splitbyzone' command?</div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="">Thanks</div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="">Yaikhomba</div><div style="font-style: normal; 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