<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Gregory,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> That would be cool to have ChimeraX interactive holographic display. This could be easy or hard depending on what is required to talk to these displays. I believe the generally require having several rendered views, like 8 views for the Auto Stereo 3D products or 45 for the looking glass display.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="https://www.tri-evolution.com/en/auto-stereo-3d/as3d-hardware/" class="">https://www.tri-evolution.com/en/auto-stereo-3d/as3d-hardware/</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="https://lookingglassfactory.com" class="">https://lookingglassfactory.com</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The trouble is the primary SDK for these displays is Unity. ChimeraX is based on Python / C++ / OpenGL, not Unity. I did not see any Python SDKs for these devices which would be the ideal situation for a ChimeraX plugin. I saw a C API for Looking Glass in private beta -- would require some extensive programming skills to use that in ChimeraX. Perhaps these holographic displays just take a single tiled image with the multiple views and you don't need any SDK, ChimeraX could certainly create the tiled views.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> If the device SDKs make it possible, the place to look in ChimeraX for how to make weird multi-view cameras is</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="https://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/trac/ChimeraX/browser/src/core/graphics/camera.py" class="">https://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/trac/ChimeraX/browser/src/core/graphics/camera.py</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="https://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/trac/ChimeraX/browser/src/core/graphics/camera360.py" class="">https://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/trac/ChimeraX/browser/src/core/graphics/camera360.py</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For instance the SplitStereoCamera class makes side-by-side tiled left and right eye views. And here are the ChimeraX user docs on the available camera modes that might help</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="https://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/chimerax/docs/user/commands/camera.html" class="">https://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/chimerax/docs/user/commands/camera.html</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Definitely let us know if you get someone trying to code a holographic ChimeraX camera -- we'd be happy to advise on the details.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> Tom</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 28, 2020, at 5:20 AM, Gregory Babbitt <<a href="mailto:gabsbi@rit.edu" class="">gabsbi@rit.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class="">I just now put a Facebook challenge out to our university student Bioinformatics Club to work on creating a ChimeraX plug in support for holographic screens for the ChimeraX toolshed. I'll let you know if they organize a group around it. 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Gosnell School of Life Sciences</font></div><div class=""><font size="2" face="tahoma" class="">Rochester Institute of Technology</font></div><div class=""><font size="2" face="tahoma" class=""></font>Rochester NY USA</div><div class="">software website:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a tabindex="0" href="http://people.rit.edu/gabsbi" id="NoLP" class="">http://people.rit.edu/gabsbi<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></a> </div><div class=""><font size="2" face="tahoma" class=""></font>YouTube channel <a tabindex="0" href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJTBqGq01pBCMDQikn566Kw" target="_blank" id="NoLP" class="">https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJTBqGq01pBCMDQikn566Kw</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none; word-wrap: break-word; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><hr tabindex="-1" style="display: inline-block; width: 860.4375px;" class=""><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Chimera-users <<a href="mailto:chimera-users-bounces@cgl.ucsf.edu" class="">chimera-users-bounces@cgl.ucsf.edu</a>> on behalf of Tom Goddard <<a href="mailto:goddard@sonic.net" class="">goddard@sonic.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, February 27, 2020 8:06 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:chimera-users@cgl.ucsf.edu" class="">chimera-users@cgl.ucsf.edu</a><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Engelhardt, Peter<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Chimera-users] Auto-Stereo 3D</font><div class=""> </div></div><div class="">One of the 3D displays that do not use glasses is called Looking Glass.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"></span><a href="https://lookingglassfactory.com/" class="">https://lookingglassfactory.com</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Chimera does not work with it, but a friend (Tom Skillman) has one and said it is interesting.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"></span>Tom</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 27, 2020, at 5:01 PM, Greg Couch <<a href="mailto:gregc@cgl.ucsf.edu" class="">gregc@cgl.ucsf.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">We are always interested in new 3d viewing technologies. However, any support for new technologies would be done as part of ChimeraX,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/chimerax/">https://www.rbvi.ucsf.edu/chimerax/</a>, the Chimera successor. With our limited resources, it's unlikely that we would implement anything soon, but we would welcome and assist a contributed ChimeraX bundle.</div><div class="" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">I'd like to suggest that instead of waiting for AS3D to become a viable option, that you either get a stereo 3D projector for presenting 3D to groups, similar to a movie theatre, or a VR headset for single person 3D. Those appear to be the only available long term solutions right now. If you can find a 3D TV anymore, that would work too.</div><div class="" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">And don't forget that Chimera and ChimeraX require a workstation graphics card for stereo 3D -- so a mid- to high-end AMD FirePro or NVIDIA Quadro.<br class=""></div><div class="" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;"> HTH,<br class=""></div><div class="" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;"> Greg<br class=""></div><div class="" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br class=""></div><div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;">On 2/27/20 10:05 AM, Engelhardt, Peter wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class="" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div class="" style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Dear Chimera developers,</div><div class="" style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">We are most interested of always using stereo in Chimera. </div><div class="" style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Lately there have been presented Auto-Stereo 3D displays: <a href="https://www.tri-evolution.com/en/auto-stereo-3d/" id="LPlnk997088" class="">https://www.tri-evolution.com/en/auto-stereo-3d/</a></div><div id="LPBorder_GTaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cudHJpLWV2b2x1dGlvbi5jb20vZW4vYXV0by1zdGVyZW8tM2Qv" class="LPBorder743815" style="width: 800px; margin-top: 16px; margin-bottom: 16px; max-width: 800px; min-width: 424px;"><table id="LPContainer743815" class="" style="padding: 12px 36px 12px 12px; width: 750px; border: 1px solid rgb(200, 200, 200);"><tbody class=""><tr valign="top" class="" style="border-spacing: 0px;"><td class="" style="width: 744px;"><div id="LPTitle743815" class="" style="font-size: 21px; font-weight: 300; margin-right: 8px; font-family: wf_segoe-ui_light, "Segoe UI Light", "Segoe WP Light", "Segoe UI", "Segoe WP", Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 12px;"><a target="_blank" id="LPUrlAnchor743815" href="https://www.tri-evolution.com/en/auto-stereo-3d/" class="" style="text-decoration: none;">Auto-Stereo 3D - TRI Evolution – 3D without glasses</a></div><div id="LPDescription743815" class="" style="font-size: 14px; max-height: 100px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-family: wf_segoe-ui_normal, "Segoe UI", "Segoe WP", Tahoma, Arial, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 12px; margin-right: 8px; overflow: hidden;">We unfold digital vision. We unfold your product and video data in “GLASSES-FREE 3D”. We offer numerous services and solutions for perfect handling of the latest auto stereo 3D technology. We are an official Solutions Partner of 3D Global. Find out everything worth knowing about our AS3D offer in this section. 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