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Hi Dan,<br>
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If you haven't already, you should check out the two demos (cox
inhibitors, hormone-receptor complex) in the Chimera Tools / Demos
menu. These were made by Elaine Meng. If you look at pane 7 of the
cox demo there are some html-style links "sticks" and "spheres" that
allow you to change rendering options. You can also use the normal
Chimera menus and tinker with the rendering and view point and the demo
will usually revert to the normal depiction when you go to the next
pane. Whether it does or not depends on how thorough the commands that
define the demo are about setting all the display styles in case the
user has fiddled. Going from panes 4 to 5 there is some motion of the
molecules. But then pressing the back button jumps immediately to the
preceding positions -- it does not show the motion in reverse. It may
be easy to make the back button reverse the motion. In general the
back operation has to be given as a series of commands that the demo
creator knows will undo the forward step. You could put in the
backwards motion commands. I have never made a demo so I am guessing.<br>
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We are interested in improving Chimera for interactive teaching. Our
thinking when developing the demo editor was more geared towards
showing a researcher new to Chimera some of the Chimera capabilities.
Creating these demos does not require programming knowledge, but rather
a good knowledge of the Chimera commands.<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/framecommand.html">http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/UsersGuide/framecommand.html</a><br>
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Before you team up with some computer science people, I think the steps
should be: 1) study the two demos included in Chimera, and the commands
used in those demos, 2) try making a simple demo from your own
material, 3) talk with us about the problems you find. I think you'll
encounter two problems, first that some needed commands don't exist,
and second that the demo editor and player are clunky (it hasn't been
used much to our knowledge). Both of these things we can work with you
to improve -- possibly with pretty quick turn-around time (days/weeks).<br>
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Tom<br>
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Subject: Re: [Chimera-users] pause during a fly-by?<br>
From: Daniel Gurnon <br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:goddard@cgl.ucsf.edu">goddard@cgl.ucsf.edu</a><br>
Date: 8/22/09 9:24 AM<br>
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<pre wrap="">Thanks Tom. I'll try making some demos. From the ones I've seen, rewinding the demo is more like "reset", i.e., any motion won't be reversed but instead the model(s) will be reset to their position and rendering from the previous step. But it should provide much of what I need.
Over the past few months, I've been learning Autodesk Maya and talking with Gael McGill and some of the others out there that do molecular animation. While I think animation software like Maya can be a very powerful teaching tool (especially when you need to model things for which there is no 3D data set), the finished movies lack interactivity. Ideally I want modules that automate some of the learning experience (fetching a structure, rendering to highlight appropriate features, taking the viewer on a fly-by tour of the system) while also leaving the participant free to pause and explore the scene on their own. The demos in Chimera are pretty close to what I want actually, but there are a few things I'd change if I could...motion rewinding is one, but it would also be useful to add buttons enabling the user to change rendering options at each demo stop-point without the risk of screwing up the rest of the demo. It would also be nice to instantly reset the demo to the current
point if you made a change you want to undo. In a nutshell, I want to design modules that any student or any teacher could use with minimal time invested in learning Chimera. I really think Chimera has a lot of potential for teaching, but the learning curve associated with the program makes it tough for the inexperienced to get the most out of the Chimera's interactive capabilities.
Do you think it would be feasible (and a good idea) for me to team up with some computer scientists at my school and work on retooling the demo editor with the goal of designing several student-friendly, interactive modules? I have a lot of experience with teaching, but none with programming, so I know what I want...I just don't know if it's possible. Any advice you can offer is much appreciated!
Dan
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Subject: Re: [Chimera-users] pause during a fly-by?<br>
From: Tom Goddard <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:goddard@cgl.ucsf.edu"><goddard@cgl.ucsf.edu></a><br>
To: Daniel Gurnon<br>
Date: 8/21/09 6:25 PM<br>
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<pre wrap="">Hi Daniel,
The demo capability in Chimera is designed to do what you want
including rewind.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ContributedSoftware/demos/demos.html">http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/docs/ContributedSoftware/demos/demos.html</a>
It doesn't allow pausing in the middle of a motion -- only between
panels (maybe between individual commands associated with a panel - not
sure). But the idea is that the duration of motion in each panel would
be short. We haven't made many demos and this tool may be pretty rough
around the edges.
The trouble with the pause command or Shift-Escape to pause/resume a
script is that the fly command returns immediately after you invoke it.
It sets up playing the motion which then happens after the command
returns. Normally that motion could be halted with the command
"freeze". This works with other motion commands "reset", "roll",
"move", and it should work with "fly" but doesn't yet work for "fly".
In any case, it simply terminates the motion and there is no way to
restart it, so that won't do what you want. There is no mechanism to
pause the playback in these motion commands, though maybe "pause" and
the Shift-Escape key should be made to do that. Currently those
mechanisms just block running of additional commands I believe.
I wonder whether pause/resume would be adequate for teaching
purposes. Seems very likely to me that you will need rewind. By the
time a student asks a question the motion is already past the relevant
section. We don't have any rewind capability in the motion commands or
in general scripts, only the demo tool, and even there I think can be
tricky to make it work.
Tom
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Subject: [Chimera-users] pause during a fly-by?
From: Daniel Gurnon
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:chimera-users@cgl.ucsf.edu">chimera-users@cgl.ucsf.edu</a>
Date: 8/21/09 5:52 PM
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<pre wrap="">Hi all,
I've been considering ways to use Chimera in the classes I teach, and I love the potential of the "fly"command for smoothly navigating between preset positions. But is it possible to pause in mid-flight? The pause command hasn't worked for me here. What I'm really looking for is a way to automate some features of a presentation (e.g., the camera position) while retaining interactivity. Making a quicktime movie is less than ideal, because although I could pause the movie if a question is asked, I couldn't, for example, use a clipping plane to strip away a surface to show an underlying backbone, and then smoothly resume the camera flight. Perhaps I should consider making a demo instead, where pauses are built in?
Thanks
Dan
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Daniel Gurnon, Ph. D.
Assistant Professor of Chemistry
DePauw University
Greencastle, IN 46135
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