<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV>Hi Brady,</DIV><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </SPAN>Tom forwarded your mail to me. There almost is a way. In the 1.2318 snapshot, the Render By Attribute tool allows you to save attribute values to a file using that tool's "File->Save Attributes..." menu item (saved in the format that Define Attribute accepts). So, why "almost"? The idatmType attribute is screened out of the list of available attributes since it can be expensive to compute the values -- and since you could already select by IDATM type using the regular selection menu. But now that save exists I will have to improve Render By Attribute so that it can know that idatmType values are strings ahead of time (so it doesn't have to ask for any values to figure that out).</DIV><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </SPAN>Anyway, for your purposes it is not too hard to force Render By Attribute to show you idatmType. First, get the 1.2318 release. Then edit the file <your Chimera>/share/ShowAttr/__init__.py (on a Mac: Chimera.app/Contents/Resources/share/ShowAttr/__init__.py) and edit line 24. It will look like this:</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </SPAN>'name': False, 'idatmType': False, 'idatmIsExplicit': False,</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>change it to:</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </SPAN>'name': False, 'idatmIsExplicit': False,</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Save the file and thereafter Render By Attribute should show you the idatmType attribute.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>--Eric</DIV><DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="5" style="font: 16.0px Helvetica">hi tom - is there a quick way to save the atom types from idatmType to a text/log file along with the atom name or number?</FONT></P> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></BODY></HTML>