<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Grant,<DIV> The editing facilities in Multalign Viewer are somewhat basic and could stand improvement (e.g. undo would be nice). You can only move a region in a certain direction if there is a gap somewhere ahead of the region that can be removed and placed behind the moving region. MAV won't increase the length of your alignment (by placing an all-gap column on the end) in order to allow the motion [this is mentioned in the docs].</DIV><DIV> A workaround is to save your alignment to a file and edit the file to add the all-gap columns necessary to allow your motion. I would suggest FASTA or PIR formats, since those are the simplest to change. Of course, at that point you may be able to make all the changes you want with a text editor and just cut MAV out of the loop -- it would depend on what you're doing.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>--Eric</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="5" style="font: 16.0px Helvetica"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Eric Pettersen</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="5" style="font: 16.0px Helvetica"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>UCSF Computer Graphics Lab</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="5" style="font: 16.0px Helvetica"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN><A href="mailto:pett@cgl.ucsf.edu">pett@cgl.ucsf.edu</A></FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="5" style="font: 16.0px Helvetica"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN><A href="http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu">http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu</A></FONT></P> <BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Oct 27, 2005, at 4:09 AM, Grant Jacobs wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">While the help notes for the alignment editor says that gaps can be<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">created, I can't see how! Surely I'm missing something...</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Selecting a residue or set of residues to create a region, then<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">applying ctrl-left-arrow (or right arrow) yields an error complaining<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">of a lack of gaps in the region ("No gap available in <seq name>").<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">This makes me think that regions can only be moved if they are<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">already bounded by gaps. Which in turn leaves me stumped as how to<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">create the initial gaps manually...!</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">What I had expected was for it to insert new gaps to the let of the<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">region if applying ctrl-right-arrow to a region and vice versa for<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">using ctrl-left-arrow.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; 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