I noted that Apple still has X11 availible for download, just that it's not publicized. http://a1408.g.akamai.net/7/1408/1388/20030317/akamai.info.apple.com/X11/us/user/061-0491.20030317.Se4rG/X11UserForMacOSX.dmg.bin Keep up the good work on Chimera! -- Elihu Ihms [ ihms at tamu.edu ]